No-one need die from H1N1, providing they know that:

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Vitamin C in large doses is what you need:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=464018366074&saved (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=464018366074&saved)

[MinorityView]

But it looks like the hospital will do their best to kill you. So take the vitamin C before getting sucked into the medical system.

[MinorityView]

http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/_blog/Hilary%27s_Desk/post/H1N1_deaths_Auckland_and_Waikato_ICU_criminally_ne gligent/

commentary on unnecessary deaths at those same two hospitals

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

It's now on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dnTjKTxIE& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dnTjKTxIE&) and part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFloFde-LKk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFloFde-LKk&feature=related)

and the followup interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18d2YpV-V8

Sci blogs did a diatribe today:
http://sciblogs.co.nz/griffins-gadgets/2010/08/20/sins-of-omission-in-60-minutes-miracle-story/

My reply is:
http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/Hilary's_Desk/post/A_wake-up_call_Why_fighting_for_your_family_matters/

[MinorityView]

This raises an interesting question, sort of a flip from one of the hairy old ones regularly asked by pro-vaxers.

They ask: "how sick would your child have to be before you would cave in and seek regular medical care, because of course anyone who rejects vaccines is against the entire panoply of modern medicine?"

In the case of H1N1 we can ask: "how sick would you or a family member have to be before you would seek out an alternative modality of treatment?"

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

The answer to that, with conventional families would be... most times, never.

[MinorityView]

The modern version of death before dishonor...

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

another humungous fight is going on right now in another NZ hospital. I wonder if Mai Chen will be involved again.

[MinorityView]

With each case the fight is going to get harder. One survivor can be dismissed, but if it happens again, and again, and again, they are going to either look like murderers or idiots or both.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

which is why the doctors are trying to ensure that intravenous vitamin C is never given again.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

North shore patient died last night. The hospital held out until the very last minute until they were "forced" to, and the mucked with the dose! All very planned. TV3 are being constantly inundated with people wanting vitamin C, and hospitals everywhere refusing to use it.

Given that there are another 11 in ICU at the moment, we can expect more deaths at this rate.

[ema-adama]

I was just thinking about vitamin C and H1N1

I can't remember where I have this idea from, but I remember reading that vit C is likely more helpful in the event of a bacterial infection and not a viral one.

This man had a serious bacterial infection as a complication from H1N1, so is it possible that the vit C helped clear the secondary infection and has very little to do with the original viral infection? As is vit C is not a treatment for flu viruses, but perhaps for secondary complications?

In my more paranoid moments I worry that I will find myself or a loved one in a life/death situation, and the doctors not prepared to try something like vit C.

[MinorityView]

Well, perhaps some smart people will start using Vitamin C when they first start feeling the symptoms of H1N1 coming on and avoid getting into the clutches of the medical mafia.

[cartersmom]

I was just thinking about vitamin C and H1N1

I can't remember where I have this idea from, but I remember reading that vit C is likely more helpful in the event of a bacterial infection and not a viral one.

This man had a serious bacterial infection as a complication from H1N1, so is it possible that the vit C helped clear the secondary infection and has very little to do with the original viral infection? As is vit C is not a treatment for flu viruses, but perhaps for secondary complications?

In my more paranoid moments I worry that I will find myself or a loved one in a life/death situation, and the doctors not prepared to try something like vit C.

Hmmm I had never read that Vit C is not helpful with viral illnesses. Quite the opposite. I have read that it IS helpful, (also with bacterial)

Gorton HC, Jarvis K. The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1999 Oct;22(8):530-3. "Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group."

Smith L. (Ed) Clinical guide to the use of vitamin C. (Also published as: Vitamin C as a fundamental medicine: Abstracts of Dr. Frederick R. Klenner, M.D.'s published and unpublished work) 1988. F. R. Klenner, M.D., "reports cases of influenza, encephalitis, and measles easily cured with Vitamin C injections and oral doses." http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinical_guide_1988.htm

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00921934

Shingles (herpes zoster infection) have been successfully treated with antioxidative substances like high-dose vitamin C for ages. Not only the acute symptoms can be diminished by high-dose vitamin C. Even long-term sequelae, like painful post-herpetic neuropathy, may be mitigated or even fully avoided.

[MinorityView]

Thanks for the info about shingles. I put it up as a comment on the insidevaccines article about chickenpox and shingles.

[ema-adama]

Thanks for that. It has been a while since I looked into vit C, and I don't remember where I read that it was more effective for bacterial infections....

I have now read more and found this really interesting paper written on viruses and vit C http://www.orthomed.com/polio.htm. It mentions shingles, chickenpox, mumps, hepatitis, polio and others too.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Hmmm I had never read that Vit C is not helpful with viral illnesses. Quite the opposite. wherever you read that, that's totally incorrect. One of the earliest studies was in japan with vitamin C in blood transfusion patients, and those who got it, never got HepB and those who didn't 9% got hep B. There's lots about it.

Maybe you need to buy Levy's book? And a few others LOL.


I have read that it IS helpful, (also with bacterial)
Yes, but it uses a different "way" to help bacterial diseases, rather than viral.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

auckland family just hired Mai Chen to stick a bomb under relevant hospital.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Non-geo block video link. Has been set up for non-New Zealanders.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Living-Proof/tabid/371/articleID/171328/Default.aspx (http://www.3news.co.nz/Living-Proof/tabid/371/articleID/171328/Default.aspx)

[ema-adama]

Thanks for posting that link :D

[cartersmom]

wherever you read that, that's totally incorrect. One of the earliest studies was in japan with vitamin C in blood transfusion patients, and those who got it, never got HepB and those who didn't 9% got hep B. There's lots about it.

Maybe you need to buy Levy's book? And a few others LOL.

Yes, but it uses a different "way" to help bacterial diseases, rather than viral.

Maybe Im just confused, but are you saying there is lots out there saying that Vitamin C is not useful in viral infections?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

No, I'm saying I'm an idiot.

As in doing too many things, and not reading a double negative correctly. My head screwed, and it needs kicking in frankly. :p

[cartersmom]

No, I'm saying I'm an idiot.

As in doing too many things, and not reading a double negative correctly. My head screwed, and it needs kicking in frankly. :p

Nah....If anyone does NOT need a kicking it's you!

[MinorityView]

http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/_blog/Hilary%27s_Desk/post/Intravenous_vitamin_C_used_in_infection_does_not_c ause_kidney_stones/